Tulpa.info - metaphysics

Who has reason to doubt my senses

7:37 PM

I've been pointedly trying to steer clear of such beings because my abilities are quite limited at the moment, and I'd like to not get rekt if I can help it

7:39 PM

It isn't helped by the fact that I have kind of a big goal for magic if I can figure out how to reach it

Right, that is the sort of ethos I've seen plenty of times. I personally don't hold many metaphysical beliefs other than religion and I've been raised to eschew all superstition, but personally I would still strike a wide berth between myself and any supposed contract with external entities

8:16 PM

Just in case.

Indeed

8:19 PM

That's part of why I'm now wary of seriously joining a religion, because the ones I would consider joining either require you to basically devote yourself to a deity of its pantheon or are Buddhism, which is its own thing that I don't want to pursue right now.

I think it is relatively safe when you examine the fundamental survivability of some religions. I would understand some may result in better outcomes than others depending on the basis on which it's founded, but the object of worship doesn't seem to have that big a particular effect I think

Well yeah, my perspective certainly casts the religions in a new light

8:22 PM

But most of the religions have something of a glass ceiling imposed on their believers who might practice the metaphysical arts

8:23 PM

I'd rather not give up my eligibility for reaching full deific status unless I really need to

Right, but if you take your perspective and use it to model reality you could probably measure the "instability" of a diety in some effects beyond the physical world that occur to its followers. As it seems, the instability of every diety is within error or cultural parameters. I don't know too well about the less mainstream stuff though.

8:24 PM

Oh I see. Well that's your view I guess.

8:25 PM

I never knew anyone other than mormons who saw deific status as a reachable goal

In terms of religions, the ones I'd most consider pursuing at the moment are Taoism, Shintoism, and Buddhism

8:25 PM

Well, in my eyes, deities had to come from somewhere

8:25 PM

And if you take the time to study existing ones and increase your own power, who says you can't eventually reach something akin to their level?

8:26 PM

Buddhism is one of those last-resort paths, though

8:26 PM

Because from what I can tell it's the sequence-break path

8:27 PM

But the implications of it aren't to my taste

Deities come from The Realm of Fiction. Just like tulpas.

But fiction has to come from somewhere

fiction comes from The Realm of Imagination.

And imagination is derived from perceptions of the real world

8:32 PM

I must say... if my theories are correct about what "deities" actually are... Lovecraft pales in comparison

8:34 PM

But I'll need a lot more data to get anywhere near proving those

What do you all think about the collective human unconscious in regards to fiction and imagination? Carl Jung speculated we inherited a sort of subconscious/unconscious and all humans share it

10:47 PM

Would wonder what the collective cultural unconscious could appear like to the observer

10:47 PM

Anything, I imagine.

10:48 PM

@Ruethus the Silver Sorceror taoism is one of my favorites. Buddhism too. Don't follow either one. I am a 5%er, take 5% from everything you like and make it work

10:50 PM

And the left hand path as some call it - the one of personal empowerment - can potentially lead to godhood some would have us believe

10:50 PM

Or at least inane trivia and a good time, from what I've seen

10:51 PM

@Jas didn't know Mormons saw themselves with deific potential. Huh...

I think the collective unconscious is an interesting idea, with potential link to what my theories would call deific status, but I'm not sure what use I would make of such a phenomenon

@Alice in the Mormon version of things, that's the whole goal. Gods make sentient life and some will become gods and spread out and have their own herds

That's... quite interesting actually

12:21 AM

I don't really know much about Mormons

There are quite a few where I grew up.

I live in Tennessee, where I'm surrounded by Presbyterians and Baptists

lol you're the only Ten I See

...okay

Oh, now that more people may see, does anyone have experience with the sort of astral projection that involves consciously falling into sleep paralysis?

I've woken up into sleep paralysis before

12:48 AM

can't say there was astral projection or anything spiritual or paranormal involved though

>Astral projection I've always been curious but afraid. I have yet to even master the art of the lucid dream

12:48 AM

has anyone ever lucid dreamed with their tupp?

Well... it wasn't exactly lucid

I've tried, and continue to try to do so

But mine has slung spatial magic at me and NPCs in a dream before

12:49 AM

It was when she got tired of me not realizing she existed

oof classic

12:49 AM

tupps sure hate being told that they aren't real

I didn't know I'd made her

12:49 AM

So...

o-oh

12:49 AM

dear

And then it took me a month to figure out how to communicate with her

Yes, I would say the method of "astral projection" i mentioned is basically a method of lucid dreaming that is performed by remaining conscious as you go into a sleeping state

I only ever project while awake and aware. I sometimes get control in my dreams but usually not enough to know that it's a dream. It just makes perfect sense I'm in a nuclear wasteland, or a race car driver, or like a wizard or something you know

1:05 AM

I don't really practice getting lucid either ... (edited)

I enjoy my weird dreams, so going lucid feels like a waste

That too.

Lucid dreaming is always a battle of responding to subconscious manifestations while trying to have conscious manifestations of our own

1:25 AM

Usually ends up in being forced awake by a death event.

1:26 AM

I do not think lucidity gives any less weird quality to the dream

it means you are conscious int he dream, basically perfect imposition with tupp afaik

Whenever I go lucid, it usually breaks the dream and hijacks the story

usually the entire dream just fades to a nightmare and a shadow figure tells me to leave and kicks me back into reality

1:31 AM

>tfw literal mental block

1:31 AM

I'll figure this out

1:31 AM

they say most minds manifest a block for lucid dreaming, because on a subconscious level we feel the need to earn passage into the dream world

My dream fun usually doesn't include lucidity

1:31 AM

It's more of foreign symbols showing up and causing chaos

... so you’re saying my experiments when I was 14 and horny were classified as astral projection despite me going at it from a scientific standpoint and not using any mystical bullshit because I didn’t know chaps magic was a thing? Cool,

@RingSystem There is a name for it that I believe eschews mystical undertones, but I cannot remember it. I do not believe it to be anything spiritual, as I've noticed that there's some mental map of your surroundings as you sleep that seems to function as a "between" world between dreams and reality where you can be if you think you're awake but not fully noticing how your body is resting in a different positions and you're seeing things with your eyes closed. This usually serves as a very nice way to simulate waking from a bad dream without actually sacrificing your dream state, and there may be more layers to go through.

events are events, experiences are experiences. Meta is just a way of explaining them. You don't have to call it astral projection if you don't want to.

12:35 PM

@Jas would you settle for a manual that deals with OOBE from a lucid dreaming-like perspective and its uses?

Right. I learned how to do it by watching a video of a person I like watching talk about how he did astral projection, and it just started happening after I heard how it worked. I'm wondering if there's a manual that has the audio file of that buzzing noise.

12:40 PM

I'm also wondering if it's possible to go unconscious by will. Most of the time it happens on accident and I have to go along with it because it's the fastest way for me to sleep.

12:43 PM

That's sort of why I wonder if other people do it in practice. I am not good enough that I am doing it by trying, I just know that certain sensations occur and I have to push past them. If someone does it by trying, I want to know how they decide when it happens and when it doesn't.

I'm thinking it would have to do with being very comfortable with altered states of consciousness (eg. through meditative practice et al.) and having put the specific effort. Like, you can already have very good results without your body fully shutting down so i guess that's not something very pursued outside of the lucid dreamers/OOBErs

Unconscious by will is possible but takes quite a bit of practice to learn how to do quickly

But, there's people whose body like, falls asleep within seconds of hitting the sack so I guess they would be prime candidates

mien doesn't

12:46 PM

I want to lucid dream so bad, picture that, full physical sensation with tupp. nothing lewd, just nice stuff in dream world

Certain forms of meditation lead to projection without going unconscious.

@Jas Start off doing traditional meditation. Then start focusing on your inner self and nothing else. Imagine a white room with nothing inside, then start imagining things in it. See and feel them concentrating on this white room. Then imagine a door with "subconscious" written on it. Go through it and inside will be your subconscious. Tell them you would like to project and need help doing so. Take them with you to a door that says, "Astral body." Go through it with them then leave your body.

@Albino Elephant wew

2:10 PM

Symbolism goes 1000miles in the mind

It isn't symbolism, it is a combination of methods which direct the mind to perform old methods in a more efficient way

Interesting

@Albino Elephant I fear I can't say it enough times without being misunderstood. The problem is not that I can't stay conscious, it's remaining conscious unwantedly when I am trying to fall asleep naturally. There is absolutely no trouble if I want to remain conscious as the body goes through the stages before sleep paralysis. (edited)

4:41 PM

I'm trying to find out how a person knows when they want to do something or not and how that leads to them going unconscious or not if they do the type of astral projection that requires them to remain conscious as their body goes through sleep paralysis to acquire a legitimate OOBE state

Intuition

4:42 PM

Well actually idk cause I never understood the process of going through sp

Well there are two barriers that keep it from happening naturally, and once you recognize the barriers it becomes much easier to flow past them with some effort. But I want to sleep normally again.

Y'know... what you're describing kinda sounds like part of my sleep issues

Please go into more detail, I just feel like there should be a way to go unconscious if there's a way to remain conscious

My mind is almost always running at medium-high power when I'm awake, and has been doing so for years now, but when it comes time to sleep so I don't just pass out from exhaustion, I have to take at least an hour or so to try and trick it into slowing down enough that I can actually sleep

6:31 PM

In gaming terms, I've grown accustomed to acting as a solo character, meaning I'm on at least light alert when I can manage to keep it up, and at times medium or even high alert